What is the best supercharger and why? [Archive]

fast01gt

09-02-2003, 07:16 PM

I'm leaning towards the KB only because it makes power through the entire band and is street friendly.

And not too many 2v's are running them. Dare to be different.

And I hate that ****ing whine that Vortechs make.

Anony00GT

09-02-2003, 07:17 PM

MetallicPony

09-02-2003, 07:18 PM

ibtm

Scuba Dave

09-02-2003, 07:22 PM

Vortech for the 4.6 GT because of problems the Procharger units were having. For the v6, the Procharger unit is the best.

on the Cobra I'm not sure, but I'd prob. go Vortech again.

In'till'zah

09-02-2003, 07:26 PM

I'm kinda partial to Vortech. But then again, I have a big box that says Vortech on the side of it sitting in my living room waiting to be "implanted" in it's host.

fast01gt

09-02-2003, 07:35 PM

I wasn't aware that KB made a blower for the 4.6 2v :dunno:

Yes they do :)

fast01gt

09-02-2003, 07:39 PM

http://www.kennebell.net/superchargers/ford/gt96-03_2v/gt96-03_2.htm

Hackker

09-02-2003, 08:16 PM

Vortech. Rock solid units, great install instructions, and lack of problems like the ATI oil seal fiasco.

mark007

09-02-2003, 09:06 PM

i would have to say kb, because its already on the car, and i'm happy with it.

txgti

09-03-2003, 07:37 AM

ATI Procharger. Not an SC unit (get one with oil lines.. like the D1 kit, not the D1-R, or the D1-SC). There's zero reliability issues with the oil line kits.

The compressor is more efficient than a Vortech, or a Paxton, and the intercoolers are top notch.

Flat out... a KB unit does NOT make as much CFM as ANY centrifugal unit. They do not put as much air intot he engine as centrifugals do. And THAT is the point behind going forced induction. So KB is LOSE in my book.

I like them in this order...

ATI
Paxton
Vortech
KB
Pukerdyne
FRPP

RdRunnr

09-03-2003, 07:42 PM

And I hate that ****ing whine that Vortechs make.

We all hate the sound of your whine but you don't hear us complaining about it. "Waaaaa my prochamber this"..."Waaaaa my prochamber that" :asshat:

fast01gt

09-03-2003, 08:05 PM

We all hate the sound of your whine but you don't hear us complaining about it. "Waaaaa my prochamber this"..."Waaaaa my prochamber that" :asshat:

At least I wasn't whining because my prochamber didn't fit and had to go get the fugger to the torch guy to make it fit.

5.0 guys :rolleyes:

RdRunnr

09-03-2003, 08:47 PM

At least I wasn't whining because my prochamber didn't fit and had to go get the fugger to the torch guy to make it fit.

5.0 guys :rolleyes:

So within a matter of hours I had the pipe stretched out to spec and put it on the car. How long did it take you to get the old pipe off? I remember now, it took you a week to get someone else to take it off :eek:

Vortech Rules and Kb's Are For Fools... :loser:

mark007

09-04-2003, 07:37 PM

ok so basically all the 03 cobra owners who are switching to kb's on their cars are fools then right.

RdRunnr

09-04-2003, 09:18 PM

ok so basically all the 03 cobra owners who are switching to kb's on their cars are fools then right.

Pretty much....it took Pete 740+ rwhp to run 9.99? All of the rest of them make 600-700 hp and can only run 11's? Most of those 03 cobra owners are nothing more then dyno queens. What kind of power adder do YOU run? :rolleyes:

Isolated

09-05-2003, 12:27 AM

Pretty much....it took Pete 740+ rwhp to run 9.99? All of the rest of them make 600-700 hp and can only run 11's? Most of those 03 cobra owners are nothing more then dyno queens. What kind of power adder do YOU run? :rolleyes:

Grow up.

Pull_T

09-05-2003, 08:17 AM

ok so basically all the 03 cobra owners who are switching to kb's on their cars are fools then right.

They are still simply not as efficient as a centrifugal.

Shove an equal amount of spuds from a centrifugal in that motor and see what happens.

txgti

09-05-2003, 09:13 AM

ok so basically all the 03 cobra owners who are switching to kb's on their cars are fools then right.

No... because they don't have an intake manifold to be able to utilize a centrifugal supercharger. If they were to upgrade to a Bullitt intake manifold, I suspect they'd see a lot better gains than what the KB is producing.

But that's not cost effective at all.

Just cause nobody has done it yet doesn't mean it's not right.

STROKD

09-07-2003, 02:23 AM

No... because they don't have an intake manifold to be able to utilize a centrifugal supercharger. If they were to upgrade to a Bullitt intake manifold, I suspect they'd see a lot better gains than what the KB is producing.

But that's not cost effective at all.

Just cause nobody has done it yet doesn't mean it's not right.
Yea, when I get a Cobra, it is getting a ported 01 style intake and a Vortech or Novi... :up:

The Novi 2000 and the Vortech YS trims are the nicest blowers on the market IMHO. The Procharger is a nice piece, but you have to move a ton of shit, and have to take about 5 times the install and I think also lose the A/C, but I am not sure on some cars. I went with the Vortech because I kept my A/C and power steering and battery all in the stock places, to ease install and maintance. It doesn't wistle too much, I think it sounds cool. :) I have had friend's w/o Prochargers and they wistle just as bad, but its lower pitched and more annoying to me. :down:

txgti

09-08-2003, 07:26 AM

Yeah..t here's stuff you've gotta move with a procharger kit.. but not a lot really. I had to move my battery. I get the added bonus of a better compressor, and air-air intercooling which was important to me. I also get to run a seperate 12 rib belt for my supercharger, with a big ass tensioner on it. THe regular serpentine system is wholly unaffected (after adding on the new crank pulley). The only Procharger kits that remove the AC are the ones with an R (or race) designation. The rest of them are street kits. I don't recommend the SC designation (self-contained oiling systems... no oil lines) because I don't want to have to buy supercharger lube oil from Procharger, and they hada small time period where they were having trouble with the seals on the SC models leaking.

I much prefer the ATI kits that do not hold th eR, or the SC designation. For example.. P1, P600b, D1.

There's nothing wrong with Vortech or Paxton though, and when it comes down to it... any one of the big 3 (ATI, Paxton, Vortech) is going to be jsut fine IMO.

sizleen515

09-09-2003, 10:11 AM

And I hate that ****ing whine that Vortechs make.

I LOVE the whine the Vortech makes...i specifically went with the V1 just for that. Makes the same power as the "newer" V2SQ...just 3 times louder..i love it :up:

Hackker

09-09-2003, 09:06 PM

I LOVE the whine the Vortech makes...i specifically went with the V1 just for that. Makes the same power as the "newer" V2SQ...just 3 times louder..i love it :up:
Were you at Hooters last weekend? I wanted to see how loud your Vortech was compared to my SQ. :cool:

sizleen515

09-10-2003, 07:32 AM

Yup..i was there. Go ahead and ask anyone that was there how loud it was compaired to yours...actually..ill make a post over there. :D

Blueoval

09-10-2003, 07:50 AM

http://www.kennebell.net/superchargers/ford/gt96-03_2v/gt96-03_2.htm

Ditto :up:

STROKD

09-10-2003, 12:42 PM

Vortech Engeenering just released there new blower the YSi trim... supposed to flow about 10% better than the YS and flow up to 30 psi @ 1,200 hp and 1600 cfm... :up:

txgti

09-10-2003, 01:15 PM

Vortech Engeenering just released there new blower the YSi trim... supposed to flow about 10% better than the YS and flow up to 30 psi @ 1,200 hp and 1600 cfm... :up:

I present you with the ATI Procharger F-4. :)

13.5 inch volute
2300 max rated HP
700-1100 Base HP from the motor (yes, it needs a 700 horse motor to turn the blower)
4300 max CFM
32 psi max
4.5 inch outlet hose (DEAR GOD!)

It's the mother of all suiperchargers. :D

The ATI equivalent of a YS trim is really about the D-1 / D-2... MAYBE the F-1 / F-2. There's another couple on top fo that.

Vortech does have that XX trim though....

STROKD

09-10-2003, 04:25 PM

I present you with the ATI Procharger F-4. :)

13.5 inch volute
2300 max rated HP
700-1100 Base HP from the motor (yes, it needs a 700 horse motor to turn the blower)
4300 max CFM
32 psi max
4.5 inch outlet hose (DEAR GOD!)

It's the mother of all suiperchargers. :D

The ATI equivalent of a YS trim is really about the D-1 / D-2... MAYBE the F-1 / F-2. There's another couple on top fo that.

Vortech does have that XX trim though....
LMAO, I was talking about Street cars, not all out 2000+ hp race cars...

The only F4 I have seen was on Doug Mangrums Pro car, and he runs like mid 6s... again, not a street car. :o

txgti

09-11-2003, 06:54 AM

LMAO, I was talking about Street cars, not all out 2000+ hp race cars...

The only F4 I have seen was on Doug Mangrums Pro car, and he runs like mid 6s... again, not a street car. :o

Yeah.. :) I'm jsut having fun. :)

I'd take an F-4, but I doubt I could even afford the motor to make it turn, much less the custom fab work to install it....

Shit.. most of the procharged pro 5.0 boys use an f-3. ;)

I jsut want a ride in a 6 second car... is that so wrong?!?!?!?!

texas89lx

09-11-2003, 09:57 AM

the novi line has the best thermal efficency

less need for intercooling with them....

txgti

09-11-2003, 10:27 AM

the novi line has the best thermal efficency

less need for intercooling with them....

True...

There's advantages to every last one of them. ;)

texas89lx

09-11-2003, 01:34 PM

well thats why they are my favorite and would go on my car :)

novi2000 + intercooler = coooooold boost :D

txgti

09-11-2003, 02:19 PM

well thats why they are my favorite and would go on my car :)

novi2000 + intercooler = coooooold boost :D

The Front mount air-air Novi 2k kit is the ONLY non-ATI kit I'd ever use personally. I've got a lot of respect for that kit,a nd I LOVE the design. ;)

tbird88

10-10-2003, 09:45 PM

They are still simply not as efficient as a centrifugal.
"They"...as in a Whipple is not as efficient as a centrifugal? Efficiency is a pretty big can of worms you might not wanna open... ;)

Shove an equal amount of spuds from a centrifugal in that motor and see what happens.
I'd rather have the torque curve that a Whipple or Eaton produces, especially when it comes to a (real) street-driven car.

Unless your last name is Glidden, horsepower ain't what gets 60' times...

'bird

txgti

10-13-2003, 07:12 AM

"They"...as in a Whipple is not as efficient as a centrifugal? Efficiency is a pretty big can of worms you might not wanna open... ;)

I'd rather have the torque curve that a Whipple or Eaton produces, especially when it comes to a (real) street-driven car.

Unless your last name is Glidden, horsepower ain't what gets 60' times...

'bird

No... launching on big ass slicks at an RPM OVER 4000 is what gets you good 60' times, and THAT my friend is where the torque is produced on a centrifugal supercharger.

It's obviously all an opinion based arguement, but what facts we do have seem to line up in the centrifugal over the positive displacement supercharger arguement for me.

Look at CFM. Pure and simple. How much air is going into the engine.

Then you'll see.

sc2002

11-20-2003, 01:31 PM

Paxton = Quality

Red95Cobra

11-20-2003, 07:58 PM

Paxton = Quality
Paxto is a good blower but their costumer service sucks

plus I have always had good luck w/ the vortech units and everyone I know has had the same as well

Bullitt2075

11-21-2003, 08:11 AM

The KB unit rocks. It makes way more power throughout the powerband then any centrifugal unit can make. Centrifugals only shine at the top of the powerband.

txgti

11-21-2003, 08:14 AM

Who uses anything UNDER 3k RPMs when racing?

Seriously.

sc2002

11-21-2003, 01:36 PM

Paxto is a good blower but their costumer service sucks

plus I have always had good luck w/ the vortech units and everyone I know has had the same as well

Paxton and Vortech have the same customer service department..

Pull_T

12-15-2003, 07:14 AM

Who uses anything UNDER 3k RPMs when racing?

Seriously.
For me, I am never below 4k...

2quik4gm

12-15-2003, 03:35 PM

Just curious. I'm looking for serious answers, not the "I like the name better" type answers.

Answer the pole and discuss.
totally depends on the combo vortech for me paxton owns vortech or visea versa but tehy are the industry leaders for a reason