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Hackker
05-13-2003, 08:06 AM
One of my co-workers got into Reliv (http://reliv.com) and everytime I see him he tries to either sell me the crap or get me into the "business". He did it again a few days ago in a e-mail and I politely told him that the business wasn't something I was interested in, either the products or the company. Then he gets all testy and defensive on how maybe I'm not cut out for the company so I figured, no more being nice and shot him back a nice e-mail (at the end). Anyone have any experience with this place? Basically it seems like a MLM company that uses the facade of selling vitams to appear legit....




Trust me, a single red flag doesn't scare me. Multiple red flags from all over does make me wonder about a product/company though. Just some other things I ran across that would make anyone think twice about reliv (more so the company than the products)....

1 - Supplements at retail stores are cheaper.

2 - With proper diet & exercise, supplements really aren't even needed.

3 - I really couldn't find any scientic proof WHY reliv products would be better than others. Just saying its a powder doesn't cut it, they need to show concrete proof that one, the product does work. And two, its better than something I can buy off the shelf.

4 - Smells like a pyramid network, even their own website seems to point that. http://www.reliv.com/images/comp5.gif

5 - To make more money, you have to basically enlist other people in the network. There is the whole "sponsoring" keyword that smells of a pyramid network where you have to keep enlisting more people. http://www.reliv.com/images/comp3.gif

6 - The company seems to target people whould be be easy to take advantage of. http://www.relivonline.com/vanessagladney

7 - They actively encourage you to sell to your friends, neighbors, relatives. This would probably cause people to buy supplements who really don't need them at all. http://www.reliv.com/images/comp2.gif

8 - From their own SEC filings, it seems that a large source of the company's income is from MLM type fees such as seminars, training, and conferences.

9 - Also from the SEC filings, there was NO money expensed for R&D. I honestly find it really strange that a nutritional company wouldn't have even a small budget for R&D!

10 - Their ReversAge product seems to make the unrealistic promise that people will look/act/feel 10-20 years younger.

11 - The company has been investigated (and probably still is) in several states. Not a good sign. Found this tidbit on a website...

"The Reliv company is currently under investigation for their MLM scheme, and it is against the laws of the United States to make claims that supplements can cure anything, either direct or implied."

The Weez
05-13-2003, 09:24 AM
One of my friends started to do one of those - Excel Communications I think. They do the same thing - try to get you to sell to friends and family, branch out and enlist others, etc. He quit pretty quickly. That's how I found out that Excel was a pyramid deal.

Once I came across an email address of some old family friends from h/s. I sent them an email, and they sent me back a sales pitch for Excel. They are on my "never contact again in any manner whatsoever" list.

tonyled
05-13-2003, 09:26 AM
Pyramid sales schemes suck donkey nuts!

i had some friends that sold Herbalife

death to Amway!!!

SWEET GT
05-13-2003, 09:33 AM
A guy I used to work with tried to get me to join a scheme like this, but for home products (non parishables, etc)

I worked with him back in 99-mid 2000, he still tries to call my cell phone, I know he is trying to STILL get me to join, and I just dont answer it..I made the mistake a few times to answer it (not knowing his number)

tonyled
05-13-2003, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by SWEET GT
A guy I used to work with tried to get me to join a scheme like this, but for home products (non parishables, etc)



that sounds like the new amway one

Pull_T
05-13-2003, 09:35 AM
Paypal $1 (+ $9.95 s/h) to pull_t@yahoo.com and I will send you a program for avoiding direct marketing, mail order, telemarketing and pyramid schemes.

Hackker
05-13-2003, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by purejoy
Pyramid sales schemes suck donkey nuts!

i had some friends that sold Herbalife
From what I've read, Reliv is very similar to the Herbalife crap. Whats sad is that this guy is smart and has fallen for this like crazy. How can you *not* see that this is just a pyramid scam? Glancing at their financial records for 30 seconds shows that a good chunk of their "sales" is from signing up & training distributors. I wonder if he actually has a positive cash flow from this crap or if what little profit he makes is sent back to the company for training guides, semimars, books, etc. Isn't that how Amway works?

I almost felt bad for ripping on his business, but those were just blatant facts that I hope he sees.

Hackker
05-13-2003, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by Pull_T
Paypal $1 (+ $9.95 s/h) to pull_t@yahoo.com and I will send you a program for avoiding direct marketing, mail order, telemarketing and pyramid schemes.
I'm still waiting for you to send me my info on how I can add 3, 4, or even 5 inches to my pen*s! :)

Sparky
05-13-2003, 10:43 AM
I remember we almost fell for that in HS. We thought for sure it was easy money.

aguy2go
05-13-2003, 11:13 AM
I had a friend who was incessent about MLM.

I knew nothing about the system but being that he was a buddy, I sat down and listened.

I was skeptical from the start!! Didn't want to do it but he kept at it. One day he invited me over his house after work (1 1/2 hours away from my house). Anyway he was like why dont you give this a try you have nothing to lose etc... He was making money and thus I would too.

So me being a dumbass said "you are my friend and thus I trust you"

Well needless to say I don't speak to him anymore. Once a year he well call me up to say happy holidays and try a sales pitch. I shut him up pretty quickly.

CORN
05-13-2003, 01:05 PM
bah ha ha ha - I used to work for a company that did a BUNCH of those. One thing I can tell you is, there are a few people that get filthy rich on such endevours... they're the ones who started it and they got their best buds in on it.

In short, stay the **** away.